QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by pd24:
No we can't make a logical conclusion. Last week the team said Brock was healthier than Mac Jones. Brock was out there and played bad. Mac was out there yesterday limping around trying to throw up, arm cramped up, pants barley on and played great.

I'm not claiming what I'm saying is factual but to me the logic does check out. If you think otherwise I'd love to hear why.

I don't trust this team when it comes to injury reporting. We have a large track record of that being the case. Now maybe Brock was healthier than Mac during last week's practice but he clearly wasn't healthy. That goes along with the difference in his accuracy during that game as compared to the Seattle game, especially before he got injured.

I posted Steve Young talking about the injury and the impact it has on QBs when it's on the planting foot. Other similar reports are out there for you to check.

I don't expect Brock to use it as an excuse. I don't expect the 49ers to basically act like they let him out there too early given the fact that he re-aggravated the issue and at minimum missed this Rams game, and likely more to come.

We've seen Brock play well when hurt and it's a matter of pain maintenance - like the Seattle game on TNF his rookie year. We know he can play injured. I do believe this particular injury impacted his accuracy as compared to the Seattle game. I don't believe it's logical that somehow in 2 weeks Brock forgot how to throw the ball accurately.

That's why to ME it's a logical conclusion. To me the issue in the Jags game wasn't his decision making. It was his accuracy.

It's not farfetched to believe that he was not fully planting on the toe due to trying to avoid reinjuring it (babying it) and this affected both his accuracy (balls thrown high due to not planting firmly enough) and velocity due to the same reason.

It's entire possible that Macs accuracy was not affected as greatly due to him experiencing soreness in his knee this week even while actively limping.

That knee brace is going to keep him from injuring his pcl or ACL as long as it stays in position.

The game plan during the games was completely changed in the rams and jags game.

It sounds like posters here think Brock can't execute dump offs and check downs with a limited playbook like Mac can.

It's ridiculous. Brock can do everything Mac can and run which is why he's QB1. He can also process quicker than Mac can and get through all options in each play faster.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by TD49ers:
Just stop. You know absolutely zero about his injury status or its impacts and niether does Steve Young. No idea of severity, how it feels, when it was re-injured. Shanny cleared him before the Jax game, not on the injury list. and Purdy stated he would play if he was ready. According to Purdy, it started hurting after the game, not during. Brutal.

But you know right?

Show me his accuracy issues being like that before the game? You can't.

Now tell me the last time a team rushed a player back from injury then basically blamed the play on the injury?

You forgot how Brock said he wasn't sure if his mechanics were affected by the injury when asked if it caused his passes to sail in the game(and during practice). I'm sure because he didn't outright say no you'll believe what you want to believe and rather think that 2 weeks off made him forget how to throw the ball properly. Something that isn't an issue after he was out from his elbow injury...

Grasping.

If you only you had a fraction of objectivity you might be believable.

Originally posted by dj43:
Adrenal is a great pain-killer.

The fact he had to have a steel plate in his shoe to prevent his forefoot from flexing should tell a lot about the injury.

Try walking around without bending your forefoot. Now put a non flexible plate in your shoe and see if it is easy to ignore it. Obviously, I no serious in that suggestion. I'm only pointing out that Purdy was just being Purdy - tough guy trying to play through pain - but former players like Steve Young and Tom Brady pointed out that particular injury will impact your accuracy. It's about like trying to walk on ice but never being able to plant your front foot in a normal fashion,

Carry on...

Sounds like a typical thing used for that type of injury. Mac had a knee brace on as well which makes moving difficult all the same (not saying that's worse than what Brock had).

Moreover, If Brock knew he wasn't gonna be as efficient because of the foot, then even more reason to use those checkdowns and make the easy layup plays that are there. Move the chains and get positive yards. Don't turn the ball over.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
I mean I don't think that's what most are saying in here…for me I just want Brock to see what Mac is going and get back to doing that. He's our QB

Combine the take what the defense gives you with the natural playmaking when things have broken down that Mac can't provide.

correct

I agree with this. If Brock allows himself to be the elite game manager (many use this term to diminish a player's ability - I don't) he showed he can be, along with the off-schedule abilities mentioned above, we're in great shape. He just needs to not care what the talking heads say. Trying so hard to prove them wrong seems to be presenting as recklessness in his play. Now, I could be wrong, of course, but the logic and reasoning (at least for me) seems to fit.

Regarding his inaccuracy against the Jaguars, I think the toe was hindering him. Accuracy is one of his strengths, and something was clearly wrong. The toe pain affecting his mechanics makes sense to me. I know he said he felt it after the game, but that seems like a sort of protection for the team playing a player with a known injury.

Originally posted by BoldRedandGold:
It's not farfetched to believe that he was not fully planting on the toe due to trying to avoid reinjuring it (babying it) and this affected both his accuracy (balls thrown high due to not planting firmly enough) and velocity due to the same reason.

It's entire possible that Macs accuracy was not affected as greatly due to him experiencing soreness in his knee this week even while actively limping.

That knee brace is going to keep him from injuring his pcl or ACL as long as it stays in position.

The game plan during the games was completely changed in the rams and jags game.

It sounds like posters here think Brock can't execute dump offs and check downs with a limited playbook like Mac can.

It's ridiculous. Brock can do everything Mac can and run which is why he's QB1. He can also process quicker than Mac can and get through all options in each play faster.

What's ridiculous is we agree with this. We just need and want him to get back to doing this.

That is what the majority of us is saying. Not Worrying about accuracy in one game vs another game. How his interceptions happened and didn't happened. Who he's throwing to and not throwing to. Who's injury hurts worse. None of that is what it's about.

We just want Brock running the offense in the same rythm he did in 22/23. Quit holding on to the ball trying to make stuff happen.

What Mac did last night is what we want Brock to do. Don't have to be dink and dunks. But needs to be in rythm. It's that simple.

Originally posted by BoldRedandGold:
It's not farfetched to believe that he was not fully planting on the toe due to trying to avoid reinjuring it (babying it) and this affected both his accuracy (balls thrown high due to not planting firmly enough) and velocity due to the same reason.

It's entire possible that Macs accuracy was not affected as greatly due to him experiencing soreness in his knee this week even while actively limping.

That knee brace is going to keep him from injuring his pcl or ACL as long as it stays in position.

The game plan during the games was completely changed in the rams and jags game.

It sounds like posters here think Brock can't execute dump offs and check downs with a limited playbook like Mac can.

It's ridiculous. Brock can do everything Mac can and run which is why he's QB1. He can also process quicker than Mac can and get through all options in each play faster.

How was the game plan different? I mean this wasn't Mac's first start…I don't think they change the offense for either guy.

we all know Brock can do all the stuff that Mac can do (along with the off structure things). Overall imo he's hasn't been running the offense the same as he did in 22/23.

Originally posted by krizay:
What's ridiculous is we agree with this. We just need and want him to get back to doing this.

That is what the majority of us is saying. Not Worrying about accuracy in one game vs another game. How his interceptions happened and didn't happened. Who he's throwing to and not throwing to. Who's injury hurts worse. None of that is what it's about.

We just want Brock running the offense in the same rythm he did in 22/23. Quit holding on to the ball trying to make stuff happen.

What Mac did last night is what we want Brock to do. Don't have to be dink and dunks. But needs to be in rythm. It's that simple.

All of this

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by dj43:
Adrenal is a great pain-killer.

The fact he had to have a steel plate in his shoe to prevent his forefoot from flexing should tell a lot about the injury.

Try walking around without bending your forefoot. Now put a non flexible plate in your shoe and see if it is easy to ignore it. Obviously, I no serious in that suggestion. I'm only pointing out that Purdy was just being Purdy - tough guy trying to play through pain - but former players like Steve Young and Tom Brady pointed out that particular injury will impact your accuracy. It's about like trying to walk on ice but never being able to plant your front foot in a normal fashion,

Carry on...

Sounds like a typical thing used for that type of injury. Mac had a knee brace on as well which makes moving difficult all the same (not saying that's worse than what Brock had).

Moreover, If Brock knew he wasn't gonna be as efficient because of the foot, then even more reason to use those checkdowns and make the easy layup plays that are there. Move the chains and get positive yards. Don't turn the ball over.

NY is dead on with his analysis and view on the entire situation. We all want Brock to be his best version of himself but right now he simply isn't. The reasons why are irrelevant. The backup is playing better by a lot. The backup is also available. Reasonable fans agree with this and reasonable fans also have cause to question Brock's performance. He needs to play better and protect the football. reasonable fans would like nothing more than for him to elevate his game. Forced arguments to diminish Mack and elevate Brock are beyond silly at this point.

Fans here love drama, arguing and siding up over QBs. It can be pathetic and annoying but at least this time it is because the 49ers have two very capable QBs instead of 1 or zero.

Originally posted by NoFunLeague:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by dj43:
Adrenal is a great pain-killer.

The fact he had to have a steel plate in his shoe to prevent his forefoot from flexing should tell a lot about the injury.

Try walking around without bending your forefoot. Now put a non flexible plate in your shoe and see if it is easy to ignore it. Obviously, I no serious in that suggestion. I'm only pointing out that Purdy was just being Purdy - tough guy trying to play through pain - but former players like Steve Young and Tom Brady pointed out that particular injury will impact your accuracy. It's about like trying to walk on ice but never being able to plant your front foot in a normal fashion,

Carry on...

Sounds like a typical thing used for that type of injury. Mac had a knee brace on as well which makes moving difficult all the same (not saying that's worse than what Brock had).

Moreover, If Brock knew he wasn't gonna be as efficient because of the foot, then even more reason to use those checkdowns and make the easy layup plays that are there. Move the chains and get positive yards. Don't turn the ball over.

NY is dead on with his analysis and view on the entire situation. We all want Brock to be his best version of himself but right now he simply isn't. The reasons why are irrelevant. The backup is playing better by a lot. The backup is also available. Reasonable fans agree with this and reasonable fans also have cause to question Brock's performance. He needs to play better and protect the football. reasonable fans would like nothing more than for him to elevate his game. Forced arguments to diminish Mack and elevate Brock are beyond silly at this point.

Bang on.

Originally posted by TD49ers:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by TD49ers:
Just stop. You know absolutely zero about his injury status or its impacts and niether does Steve Young. No idea of severity, how it feels, when it was re-injured. Shanny cleared him before the Jax game, not on the injury list. and Purdy stated he would play if he was ready. According to Purdy, it started hurting after the game, not during. Brutal.

But you know right?

Show me his accuracy issues being like that before the game? You can't.

Now tell me the last time a team rushed a player back from injury then basically blamed the play on the injury?

You forgot how Brock said he wasn't sure if his mechanics were affected by the injury when asked if it caused his passes to sail in the game(and during practice). I'm sure because he didn't outright say no you'll believe what you want to believe and rather think that 2 weeks off made him forget how to throw the ball properly. Something that isn't an issue after he was out from his elbow injury...

Grasping.

If you only you had a fraction of objectivity you might be believable.

And not a single rebuttal of substance was had from TD.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by dj43:
Adrenal is a great pain-killer.

The fact he had to have a steel plate in his shoe to prevent his forefoot from flexing should tell a lot about the injury.

Try walking around without bending your forefoot. Now put a non flexible plate in your shoe and see if it is easy to ignore it. Obviously, I no serious in that suggestion. I'm only pointing out that Purdy was just being Purdy - tough guy trying to play through pain - but former players like Steve Young and Tom Brady pointed out that particular injury will impact your accuracy. It's about like trying to walk on ice but never being able to plant your front foot in a normal fashion,

Carry on...

Sounds like a typical thing used for that type of injury. Mac had a knee brace on as well which makes moving difficult all the same (not saying that's worse than what Brock had).

Moreover, If Brock knew he wasn't gonna be as efficient because of the foot, then even more reason to use those checkdowns and make the easy layup plays that are there. Move the chains and get positive yards. Don't turn the ball over.

I'm not a doctor though I have spent a lot of time in sports medicine, specifically in treating foot injuries. Against that background, there is just no way the foot can go through a normal range of motion with a plate in the shoe. Now, of course that isn't going to impact the decision-making process, but it will impact the follow-thru in throwing, and as Tom Brady pointed out, the usual result is a shortened motion and higher release point which results in the ball going over the target.

A knee brace that only protects against excessive or unusual movements, doesn't impact the throwing motion to a significant degree.

All of this is only fodder for discussion as Purdy is not likely to see the field again for a couple of weeks. In that time, let's all be Mac Jones fans and let Brock heal.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by captveg:
Might as well retire now, Brock. You went from miracle story to pathetic rich arrogant loser overnight, and 49er fans will never embrace you again.

Pound sand, you're trash. Your story will be told as the worst QB in 49er history. Mac Jones wouldn't have lost a single game in 2022-2024 and we'd be 3-time defending champions if it wasn't for you taking his rightful role as greatest 49er QB of all time these last few years. You should rip up that contract as a matter of Christian decency and take your wife and kid back to Arizona and become a home depot employee.

Good lord dude, take a breath.

Your sarcasm detector is off. But I get it with how absurd some takes or on this forum, especially on game day.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by TD49ers:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by TD49ers:
Just stop. You know absolutely zero about his injury status or its impacts and niether does Steve Young. No idea of severity, how it feels, when it was re-injured. Shanny cleared him before the Jax game, not on the injury list. and Purdy stated he would play if he was ready. According to Purdy, it started hurting after the game, not during. Brutal.

But you know right?

Show me his accuracy issues being like that before the game? You can't.

Now tell me the last time a team rushed a player back from injury then basically blamed the play on the injury?

You forgot how Brock said he wasn't sure if his mechanics were affected by the injury when asked if it caused his passes to sail in the game(and during practice). I'm sure because he didn't outright say no you'll believe what you want to believe and rather think that 2 weeks off made him forget how to throw the ball properly. Something that isn't an issue after he was out from his elbow injury...

Grasping.

If you only you had a fraction of objectivity you might be believable.

And not a single rebuttal of substance was had from TD.

Dont act you bring any substance to the convo. Your motherly love of Brock drives your opinions.

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by BoldRedandGold:
It's not farfetched to believe that he was not fully planting on the toe due to trying to avoid reinjuring it (babying it) and this affected both his accuracy (balls thrown high due to not planting firmly enough) and velocity due to the same reason.

It's entire possible that Macs accuracy was not affected as greatly due to him experiencing soreness in his knee this week even while actively limping.

That knee brace is going to keep him from injuring his pcl or ACL as long as it stays in position.

The game plan during the games was completely changed in the rams and jags game.

It sounds like posters here think Brock can't execute dump offs and check downs with a limited playbook like Mac can.

It's ridiculous. Brock can do everything Mac can and run which is why he's QB1. He can also process quicker than Mac can and get through all options in each play faster.

What's ridiculous is we agree with this. We just need and want him to get back to doing this.

That is what the majority of us is saying. Not Worrying about accuracy in one game vs another game. How his interceptions happened and didn't happened. Who he's throwing to and not throwing to. Who's injury hurts worse. None of that is what it's about.

We just want Brock running the offense in the same rythm he did in 22/23. Quit holding on to the ball trying to make stuff happen.

What Mac did last night is what we want Brock to do. Don't have to be dink and dunks. But needs to be in rythm. It's that simple.

Can someone please post a play that Brock clearly passed up an obvious checkdown in the Jags game that would've been a better decision than what he made?

Maybe the 2nd pick that we'll never know if he would've squeezed that ball in there in time? Even there both checkdowns are covered.

Want to look at the Seattle plays? Even though him playing hero ball won us that game...

First pick for all the "just rifle it in there" crowd that's pretty much what he did. I thought it was a hero ball situation myself when I watched first but JD and a few others mentioned how the play is designed to have CMC suck up the linebacker. CMC gets stopped at the line cuz of pass pro and the linebacker is able to drop without concern cuz the checkdown to CMC isn't there after he falls down on the block. Brock rips it cuz that's what the play design is and the backer is able to jump up and make an impressive pick.

Second pick I hated and still hate. THAT is a throw Brock can't attempt.

But what is the goal here? You want a QB on every first and 2nd down to ignore plays down the field to check it down regardless?

How long before teams pick up that tendency? What happens then?

I think you can say that Brock can't play hero ball like that 2nd pick vs Seattle and he has to pick his spots when putting the ball in danger and avoid doing it on 1st/2nd downs. But you can't simply want him to be a robot and do that every 1st and 2nd down. Cuz eventually teams will catch on and you'll be facing a lot more 3rd and long situations.

Having Brock run an offense in rhythm would be the ultimate goal. I think that's what we all want but let's not blow things out of proportion either. This year the hero ball stuff has not been as big of a problem.